Nicholas Latimer

Sir Nicholas Latimer (c.1432 – 1505), sometimes styled le Latimer, was my double 15th-great-grandfather, being the father of Edith Latimer with his first wife Joan, daughter of John Hody. He was the son of John Latimer (✝ 1460-01-11) and Catherine Pipard. His will was dated 1505-02-05 and was proved 1505-04-17, so he died in the months between. He was for a time the male-line heir general of the Latimer family, by his descent from his great-great-great-grandfather William Latimer, the 1st Baron Latimer. It did not follow him, as Edith was their only child to survive to adulthood.

He had a second wife named Margaret, of who almost nothing is known.

Nicholas was attainted once in 1461 due to his involvement in a rebellion, but the attainder was reversed in 1468. There may have been a second attainder and reversal. Historian Rosemary Horrox says that Nicholas “may have been something of a political misfit”.ref

Heir general

Several sources refer to Nicholas as the heir male of the body of William Latimer himselfref, or at least of William’s son Johnref. There appears to be consensus that the male line through the baron’s first son became extinct with the death of the 4th Baron Latimer in 1381, so that it continued with John’s descendants, John being his second surviving son.

Thus the line may be preliminarily reconstructed as follows:

as of heir relation to last relation to me
(1299)William Latimer, 1st Baron Latimerdouble 20th ggf.
1304William Latimer, 2nd Baron Latimersondouble 20th great-uncle
1327William Latimer, 3rd Baron Latimersondouble 1st c. 20× r.
1335William Latimer, 4th Baron Latimersondouble 2nd c. 19× r.
1381Robert Latimer2nd c.double 17th ggf.
<1443<John Latimersondouble 16th ggf.
1460Nicholas Latimersondouble 15th ggf.
1505Henry Latimerbrotherdouble 16th great-uncle
?Robert Latimersondouble 1st c. 16× r.
1548?

It is only a guess that Nicholas predeceased his younger brother; if not, then Henry, whose death date I have not found, is skipped. There may even be other brothers in the line, but that is chronologically unlikely.

I can find no information about who would continue the Latimer line after Robert’s death in 1548, as he is the last male-line descendant of John, son of the 1st Baron.ref It may be extinct under the 1st Baron, unlikely though that may seem, and it could be extinct even under his brother John, with the death of his great-grandson Edward le Latimer in 1411. There may not be documentation allowing us to go further.

The barony, it was decided, was inherited through the 4th Baron’s daughter, rather than as above.

The surname Latimer is still found today, centuries later, and some of its bearers may be in this line, and indeed there is likely a living unaware heir general.

Ancestry

Nicholas Latimer
John Latimer
Robert Latimer
Robert de Latimer
John de Latimer
William Latimer
Alice Ledet
Johanna de Gouvis
William de Govis
Petronilla
Catherine de Hull
Robert de Hull
Margaret de Peche
William de Peche
Catherine Pipard
John Pipard

Ancestry of William de Govis, husband of Petronilla

This continues this part of Nicholas’s ancestry, which I don’t cover elsewhere. Katharine Keats-Rohan has proposed theories about the most distant Alfred de Lincoln’s ancestry, including that he may be the maternal grandson of William Malet (✝1071), companion of William the Conqueror. So far as I know, these theories have not gained wide acceptance.

William de Govis
William de Govis
Robert de Govis
Robert de Govis
Alice
Beatrice de Lincoln
Alfred de Lincoln
Alfred de Lincoln
Robert de Lincoln
Alfred de Lincoln
Benza
Aubrey
Matilda

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